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Dr. Katherine Willow: Unveiling the Link Between Emotions and Health Through German New Medicine
When faced with her husband's cancer diagnosis, Dr. Katherine Willow turned to German New Medicine, opening her eyes to a profound connection between our emotions and physical health. Join us as Dr. Willow, a revered naturopathic doctor, shares her personal voyage into the healing arts and her discovery of GNM's transformative principles. With a rich background in natural medicine, she brings to the table a wealth of knowledge and experience, challenging our traditional understanding of illness and recovery.
Venture into the heart of German New Medicine as we discuss Dr. Hamer's pioneering observations on the brain's response to trauma and its manifestation in the body. We're not just talking about theoretical knowledge here; Dr. Willow offers practical insights on how recognizing the body's dual-phase response can illuminate the path to recovery. Whether it's the intricacies of lung cancer or the perplexities of arthritis, we take a closer look at how GNM reframes these conditions, potentially revolutionizing the way we approach health and healing.
The conversation doesn't stop at physiological responses; we also touch on the remarkable efficacy of somatic therapies like EFT and EMDR in addressing deep-seated traumas. Dr. Willow regales us with compelling case studies that demonstrate the diversity of healing responses, reminding us of the need for patience and empathy in therapy. If you're yearning for an episode that promises to enlighten and inspire, that bridges the gap between emotional well-being and physical health, and that explores the revolutionary potential of German New Medicine, this is a conversation you can't afford to miss.
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Welcome to the podcast Medicine Untold and come with me on a journey to the unexplored side of medicine, where we speak with rebel doctors, radical herbalists, unorthodox healers and patients who have healed themselves. Explore the intersection between science and spirituality and discover the power within you. I'm your host, dr Michelle Berklin, licensed naturopathic doctor, botanical outcomist and practicing physician.
Speaker 2:Welcome everyone. Today we have Dr Catherine Willow with us. Welcome, catherine. Dr Willow is a fourth generation naturopathic doctor with over four decades of experience. She is the founder and director of Carpridge Eco Wellness Center near Ottawa, canada, which encompasses 190 acres and hosts North America's first forest school. The focus of the center is a holistic mind-body medicine clinic and programs that teach healing principles.
Speaker 2:Dr Willow integrates German new medicine, or GNM, into her practice. In this new paradigm, one can connect biological shocks with conditions and determine whether a person's symptoms are the stress or in the stress or healing phase. Her current goal is to develop one of the best mind-body medicine clinics on the planet. Dr Willow integrates Dr Hammer's discoveries about how we get sick and how we heal with naturopathic medicine, ayurveda and mainstream diagnostics and treatments in the context of spiritual principles to create effective and realistic healing programs. Thank you so much, dr Willow, for coming on today. I'm excited to hear so much more about mind-body medicine. I feel that my beliefs and the way I want to practice is very in tune with this. Getting more information out there of German new medicine, I think, is an amazing thing to do for our audience today, so welcome.
Speaker 3:Great. Thank you for inviting me. I'll just preface this by saying that I think that this material is like the world is round and not flat for medicine. That's how big it is, because it brings new principles of healing that help us understand how to use what we already know better, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. Tell us a little bit about what led you to the path of becoming a naturopathic doctor, what inspired you to follow this medicine from the people in your family that really went before you also.
Speaker 3:You're going to laugh, because as a teen I practiced with my grandmother and then with my aunt, who were naturopaths in Germany. My grandmother was also a medical doctor and my aunt went. I remember being with my aunt and a man came in with a blood clot in his leg. So she sent me off to the pharmacy for a leech and she probably explained that the leech is injecting blood thinners directly into the clot so it can get more blood and then it takes three days for a leech to dissolve the blood clot, versus six weeks with the medication Interesting.
Speaker 3:So those are the kinds of things that I was introduced to with by my family and I hated it. I thought I'm never going to do, I'm not going to sit and listen to sick people all day, and I promptly went off and started to study Montessori teacher training and that at that point was also struggling with my own health issues and burnt out and didn't finish the practicum. Then my father said you need to go back to school and study something proper. So I hit the bullet and applied to naturopathic college rather reluctantly and was accepted, and even third year I wanted to, I wanted to bail, I was not happy and it took me about five or six years in practice before it turned 180 degrees to. I love this and I haven't looked back since it. I mean, I'm in my mid sixties now and I'm just euphoric about getting out of bed and doing this work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's amazing, like you bought it for a while but you can't buy destiny. So tell us a little bit more about how you found German new medicine and what interests you in that, because that's I like. For me, I didn't actually even learn about it until I was living in Europe and somebody was telling me about it, and that's how I kind of started digging initially. But I think it's an important thing to bring to all the people here. So tell us a little bit about how you found it.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, it originated in a little bit of tragedy in that my second husband was diagnosed with three brain tumors and we I didn't know German medicine at the time and of course had this image of these tumors eating out his brain and we just went frantic, we were so afraid and we finally did a seven hour brain surgery. And then after that, one of my patients brought me Hummer's first book. It said you have to promise me to read this. And we were on our way to Germany. We went for treatments there as well and I remember cracking that book at one o'clock in the morning and realizing this is not a product, it's not a therapy, it's a whole new way of looking at disease and it's what we've been missing. This, this is why we're not having success with cancer.
Speaker 3:And we landed and I hit the road looking for Dr Hummer's a connection, and we sent him Mickey's brain cat scans and had a phone appointment and he told us Mickey's tumors were related to certain organs and certain shocks. So we knew the first two was heart and kidney. But then he said he also has something with his left testicle and you probably won't know this, and it's some cell loss. And we there were no symptoms of any of that and I think Mickey was a bit offended. But after we lost Mickey, I had an autopsy done and it showed the heart condition condition, the kidney condition and a totally disintegrated left testicle, and that pushed me into studying this mysterious well, it wasn't mysterious. This set of principles that may actually made a lot of sense to me even then, and I remember having seven pages of every line of questions and after a year, most of those questions were answered and I was blown away by what I was hearing from other practitioners and teachers, mainly El Sador Laker, and started using it in my practice and was purpley blown away by what I was seeing, sometimes palliative cancer patients healing in one visit just by reframing what they were going through, understanding it in a different way and then writing it.
Speaker 3:So by 2017, I published my book with cases saying we need to use this, let's do some research, let's confirm this, let's let's integrate this into into our regular medicine. And it's still the track on one. I mean it doesn't benefit that many people yet because it's so opposite to what we think we know about disease that most people can't do it. They're too afraid, and it's understandable. We didn't make it. I didn't do it well either at the beginning. It was just too off, too different. But now it's like I've been doing it for 20 years or more and it's just like breathing. It makes so much sense, so I'm much more comfortable with it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's. It's a very powerful story too, how it really found you and then how you saw the results and really, yeah, I think it's. I think it's pretty amazing too that then you're trying to prove the results and show everyone else really the power of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, on documenting everything. So, and this fall, I hope to start reaching out to local medical doctors and looking for doctors who are holistic and are looking for this material. I'm not going to not going to try and beat on any walls and just want to find people who want to do this and yeah, once we get a few, I mean, it would be very easy to research.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think one of the hurdles of overcoming it too is when a patient relates emotions to diseases, they think like they are to blame versus taking responsibility and going deeper. And so it's changing that mind frame too and removing the guilt or removing the blame and just going, going into it and not being afraid to go into it as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that when the practitioner doesn't blame, when the patient really feels the sympathy practitioner has, they can, they don't have to go into that blame. It's how it's how we describe it, how we frame it. It goes a long way to how the person is going to take it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. So can you tell our audience you know a little bit more about the history behind German New Medicine, about Dr Hammer and really kind of what he discovered to him?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can. So his, his origin stories also rooted in trauma. He lost his youngest son to a shooting accident and after he died, dr Hammer developed left testicular cancer and he had been perfectly healthy. So made the connection that this trauma is related to my cancer, which is not new. We already were looking at that. I mean, we have been for ages. There's all kinds of research that shows that that's true. But he went a step further. He said I'm perceiving this trauma with my mind and I've got something in my body. Might we see something in a CAT scan that gives us clues? So he was working on a cancer ward in Munich in a hospital and he started taking brain CAT scans of all of his cancer patients and he started to see these rings. Now I don't know if you'll be able to see them. I show you Should.
Speaker 3:I try, yeah we can give it a try, because because these rings had been seen for decades and radiologists used to think that they were reflections, so let's see there.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, no, that shows up. Well, we can see that there. That's great.
Speaker 3:So I just like to prepared for that. So. But he saw those rings in the same place for every cancer. So he went to Siemens, the CAT scan manufacturer, and he said I think these rings are actually not reflections, but that they're lesions. And they proved that they were. And so we have that letter. And so then what he did? He started observing all his patients and finding out what kinds of traumas had happened, and found out that there were similar traumas for each kind of cancer. And so that led to his first law, the iron rule of cancer, that there was always a predisposing trauma, which he would call a biological shock. And then, as he observed longer, he noticed hundreds of new principles of how we get sick and how we heal, and that's the material that we call Germany medicine. But it's huge. I mean, it's like relearning medicine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he's noticed all kinds of patterns, so I'll let you keep asking you questions, sure, sure.
Speaker 2:So one of the most basic premises in German new medicine is that most conditions are physical responses to biological shocks in an attempt to help us survive. So can you tell us more about what exactly biological shocks are and how you would go about linking them to a condition to Good?
Speaker 3:question. So biological shock, by definition, is an event that triggers our fight or flight response, our survival response, and they're not only physical. Our mental diseases can also be understood in this way, which is very interesting and gives a lot of promise to mental disorders that we haven't been able to solve. And so what happens? I think I'll leave it at that. So Dr Hammer emphasized that it's the worst when an event is unexpected and sudden. We haven't been able to prepare for it cognitively. It's almost like our primal body, self, reacts to it and it's trying to help us with this event. So, for instance, if it's a death fright, so we're told okay, so you have a month to live. So what happens is that the lungs will grow more lung cells to absorb more oxygen to help us survive. That's what we call it, the lung program in Germany medicine. In regular medicine this is called a lung cancer, and I'll have a story at the end about that.
Speaker 2:Interesting. So it's more the unprepared, the real shocks, wherever that could be, where there's no information beforehand and then it just hits and then that really creates that deep shock in the body, whatever that could be.
Speaker 3:So first you suddenly lose a job, your spouse suddenly leaves, somebody suddenly dies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and he I mean, it seemed like he really figured that out in his own life too, having such an intense shock. He went down that road. So the second premise is that for each condition triggered by shock there are two phases active and healing with completely different symptoms in each phase. So can you tell us more about these phases involved in German New Medicine and then what you might notice in a person during both of those phases?
Speaker 3:This is a core of German New Medicine and it's and again this is where it starts becoming counterintuitive. The first law isn't that hard to understand, the second law. So what happens is that when there's a shock we get plummeted into sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight and we'll have two sets of symptoms general, general shock symptoms, which are cold hands and feet. We won't sleep well, we might lose our appetite and we'll be consumed by the shock. We might want to isolate just in shock mode. That's, those are the general symptoms. But then there's also one specific thing that's responding to the specific shock. So in the death right situation it would be those lung cells Specifically, although you wouldn't notice them at first. Often you won't notice the specific symptoms when you're in the shock phase. You're mostly just noticed that you're stressed, because the specific symptoms can be quite varying. But there are two general categories of specific symptoms. One is cell growth, like this lung situation, but the other one is cell loss, like in a joint Joints, respond to self-devaluation. So I had a woman who high level, very competent employee in the government and she, out of the blue, got a bad performance review. Now performance relates to hands and what happened is that she ended up having arthritis in her hands, so badly that she couldn't play golf anymore. And so when I hold her, this is usually performance she said oh, I know the shock, but here's the kicker. You have the second phase, which starts when we resolve the shock. So in the example of the lung program or lung cancer, when we're over, when we're not afraid anymore, when that's done, these cells will stop growing. It's not as we imagine that cancer is just a straightforward street. It totally responds to our psyche and also.
Speaker 3:So then you're having also general healing symptoms, and in the healing phase we're in parasympathetic nervous systems. We have two nervous systems, ones for stress, ones for relaxation, rest, restore. So when we're in parasympathetic we have a whole different set of symptoms. We're warm, possibly fevers, we might have headaches. The biggest thing about the healing symptoms, the general ones, is that we're tired. You can imagine that we're stressed for a long time, stress, stress, stress, and that the cortisol makes us hyper, gets us through the stress and all of a sudden the stress is over. It's like the whole body just needs to repair. And so the body makes us tired so that we sleep, because the body can't repair unless we're asleep, even if our eyes are just open, the brain is totally involved in every little motion that the eyes are making.
Speaker 3:So then you have these general symptoms, which are headaches, because that lesion in the brain is also healing, so it's absorbing water, so you get kind of a full, possibly a pounding, headache. Not all headaches are that, but that's part of healing specific one. And then you're hungry again, you're sleeping, but then you also get your specific symptoms are changing so that lung growth will stop and possibly, if you have the right organisms, you'll actually have a lung infection that'll chew up these unnecessary extra cells. So sometimes you'll have a lung cancer healing into pneumonia. So it's tricky. We never linked those two before and we never went oh, this is great that you have this, you're on your way, instead of saying, oh, my gosh, now you know we need to. And it's not that we wouldn't give antibiotics or medication, we do that as needed. But we also see it in a very positive light, which changes how the person's going to respond to it.
Speaker 3:Now, in the case of the joints, that when that woman had that specific shock, the, the cells in her joints started to to erode or ulcerate and it's asymptomatic. So when you're in the shock phase of a joint program, self-devaluation program it's asymptomatic, except for feeling stress. It's only in the healing phase that you'll get the symptoms, because those ulcerations in the joints will then repair and they repair with inflammation Takes about six to eight weeks. So what I told her, I said, I explained all of this to her and I said just, if you're comfortable, go off your anti inflammatory, which she was told she would need for the rest of her life. There's no cure for this. And she was playing golf that summer. Her hands totally healed because they just finished the cycle.
Speaker 3:There were two things that can. There are many things, but there are two main things that can block the healing. The main one is that when we get triggered back into stress and of course when you have joint pain, you're not performing as well. So you have to really get your head around. This is the good thing and I just have to rest my hands for a bit so that they can heal instead of oh my God, I'm such a klutz I can't type well so that that can be tricky. It's, it's.
Speaker 3:This isn't necessarily make medicine easier in some instances, but eventually that will stop and in certain cases you'll also have something, an obvious midpoint of the healing, called an epi crisis, where the body will have repaired enough, and when we repair, we also retain water, and so there'll be a sympathetic spike where you might get some of your old symptoms back, which is exactly what was explained in homeopathy the healing crisis. And then when you get through that, then the body takes the water out, so it's called the pee pee phase. We pee out the water and then you go back to not leave, finish your program, and the main thing that we try to do is understand exactly where in somebody's life their shocks occurred and how do we help, how do we resolve, how do we think about them so that we don't get re-triggered by those kinds of shocks, so that we really end up with being more resilient and stronger on all levels. That's the optimal. There's the textbook process. You know messy human beings were rarely textbook cases.
Speaker 3:I know for myself. I mean, I've known this material for over 20 years and I'm still fussing around with some of my programs. You know it takes time, yeah, and I have to mention so I have a lot of sympathy for people. You know that this is not easy. I don't expect people first of all to just accept this material and then I don't expect them to all of a sudden be able to resolve things. You know, people need a lot of support going through this process and there are some people who just get it and they're off and running and they need almost no support at all and they come back and they're cured. So those are the people that show us that this is true.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, yeah, and I can imagine a lot of people needing support when they're going through some of those phases and they're like what is happening to me right now? How is this healing? And you? Have the ability to walk them through and tell them what's going on, I think, which would really help the process for them, but it could be hard when they're in the moment.
Speaker 3:Well, the tricky thing is is that half of our cancers are actually healing. So one of my first patients when I was in, when I was first starting to use this, had ductal, a ductal breast cancer, and basically that responds to a separation. But in the stress phase there's an ulceration in the duct and the ductal. What we call a cancer is just a repair phase. So it's an overgrowth of those cells repairing the cell loss in the duct and stops by itself. So we figured out her separate, the separation. It was really clear and I basically just walked her through all the healing symptoms, especially the fatigue.
Speaker 3:It's very scary for cancer patients to be so tired and sometimes you have to be in bed. If it's a deep program it's been a deep shock and sometimes you get flus and fever. So just had to in four months that that lump was gone. Now it was small enough to be gone. When they're bigger they don't. They don't heal as as nicely. And then we have all kinds of issues in the healing phase for the different programs that we have to really be clear with people Are you ready for this symptom and this symptom and this symptom? If we go into healing we have to be really careful with people who are afraid of the medical system and they just want to do German medicine because they don't want to do their treatment. It doesn't work. This we need. We're not a German medicine culture yet. We need to have our, our safety blankets. We need to work together. This is not a standalone system.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of the tough part, like there's always a balance, especially in this in this world. So it's it's finding when and knowing when to integrate both, and I think that's that's the real part of like being a physician too is understanding when to use what and then listening to the symptoms properly.
Speaker 3:Well, over over the last two decades we've made a list of things that optimize people's healing and and I'll I'll tell people you know well this is, this is going to interfere. Let's see what we can do and if they have too many things on that list, I'll say we need to do both. You need to go do your chemo and radiation and we can do this. We'll do it in parallel and that breaks my heart and it's the most realistic thing to do. There's no question now in my mind that sometimes we need to do that until we're further along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah, and I agree with that. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is, and and knowing when and and what they're dealing with it has to meet with that level of treatment too, so I'm kind of doing everything at once.
Speaker 3:The nice thing is is that I found that when people, even though they might have to do their treatment, if they do the inner work, the emotional work, they come out of it feeling like this diagnosis has been a blessing. I would never be who I am now without having had to go through all of this, being pushed through it, and that's so rewarding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that that part is a really beautiful thing. So, going into the next question, did we talk about like? I guess I can jump into more of like your clinical practice and you can give us examples of that too, like what you've done in clinical practice or through the five laws, and kind of go into those as well. We can start with the five laws and then jump into your clinical practice. Sure.
Speaker 3:So the five laws are one biological shocks create lesions in the brain which which trigger a part of the body to try and help us with the shock. If there are too many shocks on one level of the brain, it'll actually, instead of creating physical symptoms, it'll actually create mental, what we call constellations to preserve the body Otherwise we'd have too many symptoms. And so then we have these constellations which help us compensate for the shock. Like, let's say, there's too much self-devaluation will become what we call megalomaniac I know everything, I'm good, I'm the best. It's actually very common on a spectrum you know, because we live in a world that that predisposes to self-devaluation. No one's really good enough, yeah, so so the second law is the law of two phases. So we have the stress phase, or like conflict active phase. When there's a resolution or if there's a resolution, you go into the healing phase. Sometimes you can get stuck in the conflict active. We call that hanging active. It's just being stressed all the time. You just never get out of it, and we but people usually downgrade it. You know they manage it, it's just always there. In the healing phase we have more tired symptoms, warm symptoms might be, headaches, might be other kinds of pains, there tends to be inflammation. Inflammation is a healing mechanism. So what we when, when medicine, an alternative medicine, says, well, inflammation is the key to disease, disease, it's not quite right, because it's not a matter of stopping the inflammation, it's a matter of resolving the shock that keeps the inflammation hanging and then it goes by itself. If you just try to stop the inflammation on its own, we're actually fighting our body that's trying to heal and it can just go, just keep getting chronic and it can get so complicated and expensive with all these anti-inflammatories natural and medical I rarely see them working. I see people on all kinds of things and that's one of the nice things that I found with Germany Medicine is, I use a small percentage of the supplements that I used to use, which really makes me happy. I don't like prescribing a lot of supplements and I've noticed that people in a lot of supplements are being irritated by them. So we have these ways of testing so we can decrease people's supplements, which they're usually pretty happy about. So the third law is forget the way he describes it, but it correlates the kind of patterns we see in disease with where these initial shocks hit the brain.
Speaker 3:There are two main patterns. One is the old brain, more in the back of the brain, the reptilian brain, more survival kinds of issues, life and death. That pattern is cell growth in the active phase, like those lung cells growing and then stop growth growing and possibly get degraded by bacteria in the healing phase. The new brain pattern is ulceration in the stress phase and then repair growth and inflammation in the healing phase. Sometimes you can have a tumor as part of that and sometimes it's just inflammation and pain like an arthritis. There's a third pattern which is functional, which is like your diabetes your insulin goes down and then in healing it goes up again and also paralysis. It's also functional, so it's a motor conflict. You just you freeze in the conflict active and then you have little spasms and then they go away in the healing phase. And that's where you look at something like a Parkinson's is a stuck motor hanging healing. I teach Ilcidora had five cured Parkinson's cases. There was MS Consumption Arms being in that category as well. So that's the third law.
Speaker 3:Depending on which brain level you can know what kind of pattern to expect. So then when we get a condition so let's say somebody comes with arthritis, we know that that's already in healing. Somebody comes with a lung cancer that's growing. We know that's inactive. So when it's inactive we have to do something to resolve. When it's in healing, we have to explain what this means and help them write out the healing symptoms and also identify triggers and resolve the triggers or do something in their life that doesn't expose them to triggers.
Speaker 3:Dr Hammer was very pro doing practical, having practical solutions. So I remember there was a story of a man who had divorced and every day he walked to work past his old house and saw his ex-wife with the new husband and he was triggered every day Dr Hammer went, take a different path to work. He lost a dog, get a new dog Lost. Lose a spouse, go and get a new spouse. Biologics, the biological solutions.
Speaker 3:So the fourth law involves organisms. So Dr Hammer observed that different organisms were involved in the healing phase and he went so far as to say we only have infections in organisms in the healing phase because in the active phase our cortisol is high and it protects us against infection, which is very interesting. And he correlated the different ages of the organisms so that our oldest one-celled organisms are TB, bacteria and fungi and those organisms would be evident in the healing phase of old brain programs. So for instance, in the lung example it would be a TB infection that would look like a pneumonia. And so he gave the example of after World War I. It was the first war when people were aware of what was happening in the trenches and it was such a horrendous slaughter. There was so much death, fear, not only of the soldiers but also the families who could hear from the journalists what was happening. And so after World War I there was a big TB epidemic and that was everybody being relieved that the war was over. So it's interesting to be able to look at those things Now. I look at that and say we still need to do the research. It makes total sense to me. I see it in practice and we need to still take those kinds of things and go okay, let's prove it.
Speaker 3:The fifth law is that all diseases are significant biological programs. They all have meaning for the person or the species. So for the lung cancer, of course it's trying to get more air in. I've had a wonderful experience with ovarian cancer. So ovarian is like the testicular program in that it responds to loss, usually a death, and because the reproductive organs correlate to the new brain. They have the new brain pattern where there's an ulceration in the organ in the stress phase. Then the death is resolved, that organ starts to grow back, starts to repair, and that's what we call an ovarian or a testicular cancer. It grows for nine months, so it's in the pregnancy cycle, and then it stops growing, it becomes a cyst and it keeps a high production of reproductive hormones because we want to conceive another being. We lost a being, we want to make a new one. We lost a mate, we want to be sexually attractive so we can attract another mate. So it fits somehow in some way.
Speaker 3:And some of the programs aren't as clear, and so we go back to possible stories which may or may not be true, we really don't know. But there are typical German medicine stories. So, for instance, abandonment or existence fear have the same organ, the kidney, and what happens is that the kidney tube will shut down and retain water and the story is that it helps us get back to our tribe, that we have water and we won't dehydrate, I guess on the way back to the tribe. So I don't know if that story is true, but I know that when we have people go into the hospital and they don't have their family there and they're frightened for their existence. That's when the kidney tube will kicks in, and in regular research 70% of cancer deaths are from kidney failure. That's that pattern.
Speaker 3:And so we have a story where we have we have it several times actually, but one in particular where a woman was in the hospital. Just she had three cancers. She was healing them quite well. She was exhausted. It was too hot outside go to the hospital. They have air conditioning. Nobody was able to go with her. So the nurses were saying oh, if you got all your affairs in order. She said oh, no, I'm here, I'm working with a naturopath there. Of course she's just taking your money, you are dying. And they was just over it. She told us she was dying.
Speaker 3:So then she calls me and I can barely understand her, because her lungs have filled with water, because Dr Hammer noticed a certain pattern that when you have these existing spheres in the kidneys shut down, the water will go specifically to the areas that are healing. Those areas are already holding water, so it's kind of doubling the water. So her lungs are obviously healing. She had stopped coughing, she had. All her lung symptoms were gone. So then you could hear the water coming through her throat.
Speaker 3:So I just calmly said it's okay, you're not dying, I'm going to send your family in, just hang tight. So I call her family. I said this is what's happening we have. I've talked to you, but I prepare families for this because it's very common. I said go in, just reassure her, she'll be fine.
Speaker 3:The next morning I get a call from her Hi, how are you doing? Water all gone. So I go and visit her in the hospital and the nurses take me aside and they go. What did she do? We always lose people within hours of that point. What did you do so it? You know it all fits to. You know you can, it's coming. All these pieces are like this big puzzle We'll be able to do things we couldn't believe we could do.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've seen dementia patients, you know, reverse through using this. Now, not all can and maybe not many can, but when you see even one reverse, you go okay, this is possible. Same, there was the same kind of pattern abandonment and then the brain holding too much water, which is kid, just couldn't think straight, diagnosed with dementia, came out of where they felt abandoned and everything cleared, totally normal, so lots. So this is what teaches me. These stories are what teaches me. I will do nothing based on the theory if it doesn't work in practice, and this has shown me, my patients have shown me over and over and over again. I'm still astounded at what I see 20 years in Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it seems like one of the most important things is just counseling them through these phases if they're in that time, so you're not triggering them more. About calming them down and you can't always do it, and you can't always do it.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you'll get people who are absolutely not able to do this and then we lose them. I mean, most of the people that we lose are palliative and expected to die, but I've seen enough palliative people pull out that I take them anyway, like, okay, let's give this a try. You know, and we do a lot of death work, so we really really help people make peace with dying. We help families make peace with dying. I don't charge for that. It's a beautiful part of my work, it's a sacred part, yeah. So even if I can't help them survive, I just feel like, from a spiritual perspective, dying well is one of the best things we can do in this human body. I don't have any particular spiritual path at the moment, just studied lots of different things. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a powerful part, so it's amazing you're doing that work too. It's hard work also, but very beautiful. I love it.
Speaker 3:It's not hard at all for me. Yeah, when I lost my husband, I don't know, this is too much of a tangent. That's a whole other story. I'll get sidetracked. I'll stop right there, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, I understand that point too in the deeper sense. So can you give us some more examples in your own knowledge or clinical practice or different interesting cases you've had? And also something that I'm interested in is once you find that issue, how do they go about resolving it too? Is it just they recognize it and it removes? Tell us a little bit about that too, because I'm not interested in that process. Let's start with that, OK let's start with that.
Speaker 3:So there's a huge spectrum, I think, in most things with medicine, where you get the textbook cases, which are easy, and then you get impossible cases. So when you have people who have had recent shocks, then there are people who are fairly balanced in their ego. You know they have work, they feel pretty good about themselves, they might have a good relationship, they had a good family background. Those are fairly easy to resolve and what we do is we use the premise of somatic therapy. We use the premise that these shocks are stuck in our bodies, that you can if you want to talk about your shocks from here on, you can do therapy for decades and you can manage them. They'll still be there, triggerable, but if you can breathe into them, if you can use EFT, which is tapping on acupuncture points, emdr, which is eye movements, I mean the whole somatic field has mushroomed. I mean I usually refer for this kind of deep work where people have had deep traumas. They usually need to do somatic work for a while and it's a matter of feeling safe in their bodies. And how do we help people feel safe? I'm still doing my own trauma work, so I don't do trauma work with people.
Speaker 3:But I've seen people resolve things in one visit easy, and I've seen people who could not resolve. It was too painful to go there. They would rather die Because it would just blow all their fuses. It's just like searing pain, like touching a hot iron. You cannot do this and I know that from the inside out because I used to be like that. I couldn't touch my own pain. It's taken me decades to be able to. So, again, I have a huge sympathy for that. There's no blame. It's just sometimes too hard. It's like taking somebody to the gym and say, ok, lift that 500-weight pound-weight. You can't do it. Those of us who have spent the first half of our lives avoiding our pain lost those muscles. We didn't develop emotional resilience. We have to develop it Inside.
Speaker 3:It's not realistic sometimes, and maybe even often, because we live in a culture of how are you, I'm fine, nothing else. Everything gets shoved. We get people who have no idea what's down there. I run a group twice a month to just practice healing work, and in my last group I had the visual experience. I had the visualization. Ok, it's like going into a jungle. You're actually disoriented, you can't even make sense of what's up or down, it's all just dark with scary noises. So I think that we as a healing community need to really work on how to make this more possible, how to make this easier, how to make this realistic, how to make it fun, how to make it going to the gym and lifting weights fun yeah so.
Speaker 3:And then there's also the situation where sometimes you can't find the shock. So then, but of course, by the symptoms or by your condition, you know what kind of shock to look for the brain lesion, the condition and the shock are always the same. According to the Germany medicine and I always say that according to new medicine, germany medicine, we're looking for this. I will never say, I'll never play God and say this is for sure, even though I might feel it, it's not our reality yet. So I need to be careful with that. You're to give people room for thinking differently. I don't want to put them into that box. If they don't want to go there, it doesn't work, so they have to see things for themselves. So so, basically, if somebody, let's say, has the joint pain, they somehow had a devaluation related to performance and they can't remember that and we just look at what are the current triggers that make you feel bad.
Speaker 3:The current trigger might be the pain in the hand. So then we work with what's now in those same thematic ways cognitive ways, using tapping, using breathing, learning how to talk to ourselves in a different way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really powerful. And I wonder if some of these shocks happened during childhood, where they suppressed the memories, or it was so early on that they don't even know really where it came from. Then I guess you would go and look at the current triggers or try to do.
Speaker 3:Well, I have an interesting story about suppressing shocks. Had somebody come in in their 20s, a young man, who had psoriatic arthritis, which is an old person's disease, and as a naturopath I'm looking for cause. This was before I knew Germany medicine and there was nothing Like he was totally healthy except for the psoriatic arthritis and I thought there's a trauma in there.
Speaker 3:I said where are your traumas? He said I have no traumas. I have this great family, I love my work, I have a great group of friends. What I don't think I believe you. So I treated him symptomatically with homeopathy and six months in like once a month, I'd say you don't remember anything. Six months in, he comes in. He's white as a sheet and I'm thinking, finally something's coming up. He said I saw him yesterday. He said tell me, the guy who beat me up, how old were you? 14. The guy went to jail, there was a court case. He didn't remember.
Speaker 3:10 years later, Six months in him, that was a huge, huge lesson for me. My hair still stands on end when I think of that. How well we can suppress things when they're that painful. Yeah, so then, knowing that I'm very gentle. So then we have to be careful. If the shock isn't forthcoming, maybe we just need to just dance around it for a while, make the person feel safer and safer and kind of we call it downgrade, and then the healing symptoms are much easier as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you have some amazing stories and a lot of very interesting cases when it comes to drug and new medicine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm amazed.
Speaker 2:And it seems like, yeah, you have to work a lot as an investigator too to try to get those things out of people and find the source when you can. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3:Well, one of my most satisfying cases these days is a middle-aged man with the same kind of brain cancer that killed my husband and my sister and my mother glioblastoma.
Speaker 2:Okay, and that's what my father had too.
Speaker 3:Okay. So he came and he'd already had all kinds of treatment and been basically been given up palliative. So when I explained the German medicine aspect got it immediately said I'm getting out of this. So we've been working together to clarify the shock, make sure there aren't triggers and very, very gradually help him get off his steroids, but so gradually that his body's you know to allow, because when the body part is healing, just to say again, it's going to hold water. So of course in this closed cavity that is going to trigger all kinds of pain which triggers fear, which triggers more water through the kidney tubule, existence, fear and we lose people. So we went through all of that, explained all of that, how we're going to go so slowly that we're not going to trigger that. So it's been six months almost off the steroids. There's no symptoms. I'm just we're not through yet. We're not through. But I am so hopeful Because we just needed one glioblastoma case using German medicine.
Speaker 3:There are other people who've healed glioblastoma in using different things, but of course you can use other things. If you're using something like, let's say, a keto diet and you really have a lot of faith in it and you kind of relax around that it's going to allow the brain to heal. You can use anything. It's a placebo, because not everybody otherwise everybody who had glioblastoma would heal with the keto diet. They don't. It's a small percentage. So now we can understand and we can understand how to use plashebos for people. If it's too much to go, german medicine you can use. I mean, use an obviously indigene, dedicated therapy, the product, but in the back of your mind you're going just need to relax into this. You're different, use a lot of positive feedback and you're getting them through the healing process and be notes to them, using also the German medicine principles.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And you're doing valid therapy. You're doing exactly what, maybe with a few less supplements. A few fewer supplements.
Speaker 3:And now we don't have to do the diet quite as I mean. The diet in German medicine is based a basic, healthy, balanced diet. Nothing rigid, no coffee enemas, no juice fasts no, except for small periods of time, not for these long stretches. People get totally depleted. You need more protein. When you're healing, I often put vegetarians. I'll say can you eat meat for a while? I like vegetarian diet and tribes. When people were sick, we eat organ meats. So, and I'm sure that as we get better at this, we'll also be able to find ways to do this and stay vegetarian. So it's all to be, all to be figured out Right, but great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know I could listen to your stories all day long. It's really interesting and I think it's just. It's such an important element to reframe people's thinking and to tie the emotions and the body together because they're deeply connected. They're not separate entities where you treat differently and address one and address the other, because it's so clear how deep everything is, whether it's them thinking that this is going to work and so it works, with the placebo, or having emotions and causing so many different things. So, yeah, I think German New Medicine has a lot of potential in treatment for sure. Well, thank you very much today and thank you so much for sharing. It was a pleasure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're a wonderful interviewer. We're looking forward to this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you so much, and we're be sure to put up your website and all your information too, so everyone can find you and reach out as well, sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, thank you very much. Thank you, bye, bye.
